Thursday, October 25, 2007

Wildland Fires Continue In San Bernardino - Day 4

Slide Fire Map - With most of the active fire in rugged wilderness areas south and east of Running Springs, very little new information was available overnight. Crews worked overnight to continue to douse hot spots and shore up fire lines. Winds subsided and slowed the progress of the fire. The Grass Fire in the Lake Arrowhead area showed very little activity, with some limited burning well within the fire's perimeter. The Slide Fire near Running Springs did have some active burning with 3 to 6 foot flame lengths reported overnight. Image Credit: ROTW

Damage Assessed - Last Updated 10-30-2007

Per San Bernardino County: 352 Properties Destroyed, 59 Damaged;

The County of San Bernardino has released information on properties damaged or destroyed by the Slide and Grass Valley Fire.

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The County Assessor's Office has released damage reports.
Lake Arrowhead
Green Valley Lake
Running Springs, Enchanted Forest, Smiley Park, Crab Flats

Source: http://www.co.san-bernardino.ca.us/assessor/
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Wildland Fires Continue In San Bernardino - Day 4

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Grass Valley And Slide Fire Daily Posting Links:

SEVEN SOUTHLAND COUNTIES UNDER WILDFIRE SIEGE – DAY 1
(updates for 10-22-2007)

WILDLAND FIRE WINDS WHIP LAKE ARROWHEAD - DAY 2
(updates for 10-23-2007)

WILDLAND FIRES RAGE IN RUNNING SPRINGS - DAY 3
(updates for 10-24-2007)

WILDLAND FIRES CONTINUE IN SAN BERNARDINO – DAY 4
(updates for 10-25-2007)


WILDLAND FIRES IN SAN BERNARDINO Turn A Corner – DAY 5
(updates for 10-26-2007)

WILDLAND FIRES IN RUNNING SPRINGS SMOLDER - DAY 6
(updates for 10-27-2007)

RUNNING SPRINGS SMOLDERS | DAMAGE ASSESSED - DAY 7
(updates for 10-28-2007)

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Two suspected Arsonists involved in activities associated with fires in San Bernardino county have been identified and one is in custody, one is dead.

Both suspects were originally caught in the act, one while starting a fire at the base of the San Bernardino National Forest on Tuesday evening at about 8:30pm and the other, while trying to set scrub ablaze near the campus of a university in the city of San Bernardino at around 6:00pm Tuesday. This suspect is described as a 27-year-old man with a home address in Arizona. Sheriff’s investigators will search his impounded pickup truck pending a search warrant, Lt. Scott Patterson of the San Bernardino Police Department said yesterday afternoon.

The suspect in custody, identified as John Alfred Rund, 48 (DOB: 01/21/59) from Hesperia, will be arraigned on charges related to arson today.

As far as the continuing fires burning in the San Bernardino National Forest, one has died down and is about 40% contained and the other remains a problem as it changed direction from the Northwesterly direction to burning back around to the Southwest. This threatens the homes to the south of Running Springs and Arrowbear and the forest near Snow Valley Ski Area. The positive development today is that the winds have subsided and this will slow things down a bit for the firefighting crews to gain some containment.

Saving Running Springs - This photo is taken from Running Springs School Road, looking west, as water drops are made just west of Running Springs, in an effort to save the downtown area on Wednesday afternoon. Image Credit: KBHR 93.3FM

This from CalFire, the California Firefighters website –

Grass Valley Fire
San Bernardino National Forest
San Bernardino County


This fire has burned 1,100 acres and is 40 percent contained. The fire is northwest of Lake Arrowhead. 100 structures have been lost, and more than 6,000 homes remain threatened. There are mandatory evacuation for areas from Crestline to Snow Valley. Voluntary evacuations are in place for Cedar Pines Park and Valley of Enchantment. Evacuation Center have been established at the National Orange Show in San Bernardino and Victorville Fairgrounds in Victorville.

State Highway 18 is closed from 40th/Waterman to the Big Bear Dam, State Highway 330 is closed at Highland to Hwy 18, State Highway 138 is closed at State Highway 173. Residents may leave via these highways (except 330) but cannot go back up into the Mountains. Access to Big Bear is via Hwy 38 from I-10 in Redlands or from Hwy 18 through the Hi-Desert in Lucerne Valley.

1,010 firefighters are assigned to this incident. The estimated cost of this fire to date is $1.5 million.

Slide Fire
San Bernardino National Forest
Green Valley Lake near Running Springs
San Bernardino County


This fire has burned 11,366 acres at Green Valley Lake near Running Springs in San Bernardino County and is currently uncontained (0%). 200 homes and 3 outbuildings have burned and more than 6,000 homes continue to be threatened. The entire community of Green Valley was surrounded by the fire and was evacuated. More than 2,000 people are at evacuation centers.

Mandatory evacuations are also in place for Running Springs, Fredalba, Green Valley Lake, and Arrow Bear. The communities of Live Oak, Smiley Park, Running Spring, Cavalry Chapel Camp, National Children’s Forest and Visitors Center, Arrowbear Lake, Snow Valley and Nordic Rim Ski Areas and Deer Lick are all threatened. All roads into the mountain communities are closed. 740 firefighters currently are assigned to this fire.

The estimated cost of this fire to date is $2.5 million.

Grass Valley Fire & Slide Fire Information Line (909) 383-5688
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Reference Here>>

Grass Valley Fire Map 10-24-2007, 5pm PT - Image Credit: ROTW

Excerpted from Socalmountains.com Scanner/Chat Forum –

Thursday 25 October 2007 - 09:14:04
09:12 AM Source: scanner -- Encina west of Deep Creek (RS) - several fires going here

Thursday 25 October 2007 - 09:14:36
Per KBHR 9:00am update Grass Valley fire is at 40% containment. Slide fire is at 9% containment.

Thursday 25 October 2007 - 09:15:06
ooops Slide Fire at 0% containment. Must put on my glasses – sorry

Thursday 25 October 2007 - 09:25:53
Don't know how acurate this is, but a KTLA pilot just said he saw a small spot fire burning east of Green Valley Lake and west of Big Bear in a wilderness area. He really wasn't sure exactly where it was due to smoke.

Thursday 25 October 2007 - 09:31:55
Per Scanner: Air Attack ordering up the Super Scooper for our fires.

Thursday 25 October 2007 - 09:34:53
xxxx, the super scooper will dip out of Big Bear Lake for the slide fire and will use Silverwood lake if needed for the Grass Valley Fire. Too bad its so darn smoky. Can't see anything.

Thursday 25 October 2007 - 09:50:06
09:38 AM Source: from ROTW
Availability in Crestline: Goodwins received goods from distributor Springfield are open up to curfew.

7-11 is the only fueling location, is receiving fuel deliveries, and is open 24/7 but as I pointed out previously becomes a place of confrontation after curfew.
Round Table Pizza will be opening up around lunch time today for both locals and safety personel. (Will go have some wings there today

Stockade is open but yesterday there were issues with people being outside drinking after curfew according to one of the Sheriff Volunteers. Not sure about status today.

Billy Bear's has limited supplies but is open. Lake Gregory Coffee is open. Paulas Place has been open but again limited supplies.

Johnny's Market and Madelines in VOE are also open but again, supplies are limited.

Thursday 25 October 2007 - 09:51:14
Per ROTW:GVL update - ...spoke with the fire captain who made a run through Green Valley Lake today. He told them their homes (On Juniper) were fine, as were most homes on Juniper, with the exception of the 5 that were on the cul-de-sac. Those were sadly lost, as I think everyone already knew. There is also a home on some 'point' of the lake that was unfortunately lost. Most homes on Angeles around & up against the ski lift/park are gone, as are the 2 homes next to Fox Lumber. There are also several homes gone near the camp ground.

Thursday 25 October 2007 - 10:09:17
per scanner talk is air attack aka aa bringing in water and restardant mabe brining it in to the south side, aa will stay above 8,000 feet and the helios will stay below 8,000 feet so no tcs in air

Thursday 25 October 2007 - 10:12:02
per rotw( the flare ups on encina back here in deep creek ( rs) are a bunch of gas mains,

Thursday 25 October 2007 - 10:13:53
we should be great today all with all this air craft hitting this hot and heavy , i feel good about this , rest easy if you can

Thursday 25 October 2007 - 10:18:36
Is the supper scooper dipping out of BB lake now???

Thursday 25 October 2007 - 10:19:51
per scanner ( divison echo and fox tox is working in there --
aa talking about making an exit, ok what way are you going to go out, san bernado make a left turn, ( this is aa talking to planes ) one plane will stay in the air and talk to the other planes what he can see its usually the lead bravo thats over sees all of this for the other planes
Thursday 25 October 2007 - 10:31:01
According to eye wintess the super scooper just made a pass over the lake did not dip. The smoke is very heavy over the lake and he may not be able to judge where the water is.

Thursday 25 October 2007 - 10:32:34
Most likely he came already loaded and is scoping the lake.


Martin Mars Super Scooper - The 7000 gallon tanker. Image Credit: Ray via Socalmountains.com

Excerpts from a mid-afternoon report at KBHR 93.3FM -

Super Scooper Taking Water from Big Bear Lake; Guard Against Smoke -- Update as of Noon

Big Bear Lake is closed to all boaters until dusk today, as water is being taken from the lake to battle the Slide and Grass Valley Fires.

There are currently 10 helicopters and four airtankers battling the blazes and, as of today, the Super Scooper is here to assist in water drops. The Super Scooper is a large, amphibious twin-engine airplane that can skim the lake for a large quantity water pickup, so if you see a large yellow and red airplane flying low over the lake, just know that it is here to assist in fire suppression efforts.

As for aircraft, the Big Bear City Airport is now under the control of a temporary air traffic control tower, under contract from the Federal Aviation Administration. The temporary tower will take care of all traffic on the airport grounds, as well as air traffic in the immediate area of the airport. Firefighting aircraft are then turned over to air attack as they near the fires.

As of Wednesday afternoon, our local airport was host to four Type I helicopters, these are the larger type with the largest capacity. Also on site at the Big Bear City Airport are two medium-sized Type II helicopters, as well as two smaller Type IIIs.


Fixed Wings And Smokey Skies - Image Credit: Ray via Socalmountains.com

We can expect continued smoke and ash in our area this afternoon, as the inversion layer continues to trap this smoke within the basin of the Big Bear Valley. When and if the smoke clears, John Miller of the U.S. Forest Service tells us, “Flames may be visible from the Big Bear Dam, but we still do no consider the Slide Fire a threat to Big Bear.”

With regard to smoke in our area, the San Bernardino County Department of Public Health says that these conditions can be hazardous for young children, the elderly, and individuals with heart conditions or chronic lung diseases, such as asthma and bronchitis. Health Officer Margaret Beed suggests that these people remain on their medication, and be sure to have at least a five-day supply on hand.

Blowing dust, ashes and other debris can be irritating and dangerous for eyes, so it is suggested that individuals outdoors wear sunglasses to deflect materials in the air. For specks in the eye, do not rub eyes; instead, try lifting the upper eyelid outward and down over the lower lid, and allow tears to wash the speck out. If indoors, it is best to have re-circulated air, rather than outside smokey air, entering the home. When smoke is present, Health Officer Beed advises staying indoors with the doors shut, avoid physical exertion, keep your airways moist by drinking lots of water, and avoid cooking and vacuuming, as this can increase indoor pollutants.

As for the fires prompting these smoke warnings, updated reports remain at 12,466 acres burned on both the Slide and Grass Valley Fires, with over 1,500 firefighting personnel on scene, under the direction of both Type I and Type II national incident management teams. Despite the potentially visible flames, the Big Bear area does remain safe from imminent threat at this time. Still, in our mountain communities during fire season, it is always a good idea to make sure that dead vegetation, especially pine needles and leaves, are cleared from around homes and, while you're at it, be sure not to overlook pine needles in roofline gutters, as these can be easily ignited by flying embers.

Slide Fire Is Now 10% Contained; Grass Valley Fire Still at 40% -- Update as of 3pm

Active fire suppression efforts continue on the Slide Fire, burning in the Running Springs area, and the Grass Valley Fire, in the Lake Arrowhead area.

Updated statistics on the blazes will not be available until this evening but, in the meantime, here is the status on the burns: Over 12,000 acres have burned between the two, though they have not merged. At least 200 homes have burned in the Slide Fire, and officials tell us that specifics on those structures destroyed will be verified as soon as it is safe for fire personnel to enter the burned areas.

Fire perimeter containment on the Slide Fire has been slow due to rough terrain, heavy vegetation and high density residential properties intermixed with Bark Beetle killed timber - however, good news from Incident Command is that, as of this afternoon, 10% containment has been achieved on the Slide Fire. Crews are continuing with structure protection and fire suppression efforts along Highway 18. At last count, the Grass Valley Fire is at 40% containment and 100 plus homes have been burned in this area but, again, officials report that no additional structures were destroyed in the Grass Valley Fire on Wednesday.

As of today, the Super Scooper, a large, amphibious twin-engine airplane has joined fire suppression efforts, in addition to 14 other aircraft, capable of water drops. As the Super Scooper is able to fly over Big Bear Lake, while retrieving water, our lake will be closed to all boating activity until dusk this evening.
We can expect continued smoke in our area today. To that end, the Bear Valley Unified School District has canceled school for tomorrow, Friday, as well, after reviewing the report of the Air Quality Management District.
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Both highways at the east end of Big Bear Valley, Highway 18 through Lucerne and Highway 38, are open to all traffic.

Despite the smoke in our area and the possibility of visibile flames at Big Bear's west end, we have been assured by fire officials that there is no threat to the Big Bear Valley at this time.


Fire, what fire? ... I'm here for the fish! - Image Credit: Ray via Socalmountains.com

Excerpted from Socalmountains.com Scanner/Chat Forum –

Thursday 25 October 2007 - 15:30:53
ok guys the fire is coming down into artic circle per channel 6 news here in big bear now artic circle is big, it starts at lake view point and that is the last turn of that you can see the dam heading into the snow valley or arrowbear, the end of artic circl is the big bear dam its heading into the aritc circle from lake view point so yes the fire still has a ways to go befor its this way,, ffs are making a hard stand as you can see on channel 6, ffs are on every turn to make sure this fire doesnt cross over to the other side, ,, well keep everyone updated as info comes in

Thursday 25 October 2007 - 15:31:02
03:26 PM Source: eyewitness -- {email, thanks} let residents of Upper Rowco know that all the houses on the streets between Oakleaf (Oakleaf Ct included) and Onacrest -as well as All view are safe. It is confirmed. I stayed behind on Pinehurst.. -- from rotw

Thursday 25 October 2007 - 16:11:36
04:11 PM Source: scanner
suspicious circumstances - 31340 Allview (Running Springs) - black Dodge Ramcharger with a seadoo(sp?) attached to a trailer; we questioned the guy a little and he grabbed a shovel and he went walking down the street like he was going to go put out some fires
from rotw

Thursday 25 October 2007 - 16:14:50
Going to use some Helo's I guess now on Division Echo (which is the flank closest to the Artic Circle). All fixed wing are currently grounded due to visibility.

Thursday 25 October 2007 - 16:35:38
per Rim of the World -- According to the Crest Forest Fire District, "the two major threats to the Crestline, Twin Peaks areas have been significantly mitigated. Agencies involved are working on creating a re-entry plan for the safe areas of Crestline."

Thursday 25 October 2007 - 16:36:19
per scanner we have a spot fire in the center of camp helendale ( rs off of wilderness per rotw

Thursday 25 October 2007 - 16:45:21
channel 6 is saying now to have proof of residency to come up hwy 38 thru mentone and hwy 18 the back way into victorville,

Thursday 25 October 2007 - 16:46:36
04:34 PM Source: scanner
we've got a spot fire in the center of Camp Helendade (Running Springs - off Wilderness)
04:25 PM Source: other From: CDC Press Release from Center for Disease Control: Wildfire smoke can cause health problems for anyone, especially those with heart and lung conditions, older adults and children. Listen to the new Wildfire Podcasts to learn more about what you can do to protect yourself and your family.
04:19 PM Source: scanner made contact with the possible suspect at 31340 Allview.
04:16 PM Source: scanner
from rotw

Thursday 25 October 2007 - 16:56:14
Per eye witness post on rotw:

Running Springs

Old City Creek:
Corner 330 uphill side gone
30962 may be gone
30973 ok
30001 ok
31307 damage but ok
31321 ok
31046 dis
31051 ok
31022 ok but the house across the street destroyed

Rim of the World Drive:
2378 and 2379 damage but ok (standing)
2368 destroyed
2470, 2598, 2569, 2578 OK
2569 damage but ok (standing)

Easy:
31423, 31404 ok
5 others gone (no details)

Valley Ridge between Wilderness and Circle View:
31442 ok
All others destroyed

The “T” on Onacrest and Circle View ok
31530 Circle View Destroyed
ROTW extends condolences to those that have lost their homes.


Scooper scoopin' in the blue puddle known as BBL. Image Credit: KBHR 93.3FM

This from CalFire, the California Firefighters website (6:00pm PT) –

Grass Valley Fire
San Bernardino National Forest
Lake Arrowhead and Crestline Communities
San Bernardino County


This fire has burned 1,100 acres and is 40 percent contained. The fire is northwest of Lake Arrowhead. 100 structures have been lost, and more than 6,000 homes remain threatened. There are mandatory evacuation for areas from Crestline to Snow Valley. Voluntary evacuations are in place for Cedar Pines Park and Valley of Enchantment. Evacuation Center have been established at the National Orange Show in San Bernardino and Victorville Fairgrounds in Victorville.

State Highway 18 is closed from 40th/Waterman to the Big Bear Dam, State Highway 330 is closed at Highland to Hwy 18, State Highway 138 is closed at State Highway 173. Residents may leave via these highways (except 330) but cannot go back up into the Mountains. Access to Big Bear is via Hwy 38 from I-10 in Redlands or from Hwy 18 through the Hi-Desert in Lucerne Valley.

1,020 firefighters are assigned to this incident. The estimated cost of this fire to date is $2 million.

Slide Fire
San Bernardino National Forest
Green Valley Lake near Running Springs
San Bernardino County


This fire has burned 11,675 acres at Green Valley Lake near Running Springs in San Bernardino County and is currently 15 percent contained. 200 homes and 3 outbuildings have burned.

10,000 homes continue to be threatened. The entire community of Green Valley was surrounded by the fire and was evacuated. More than 2,000 people are at evacuation centers. Communities still threateded are Green Valley, Running Springs, Live Oak, Fredalba, Smiley Park, Deer Lick, Calvery Chapel Camp, National Children’s Forest and Visitors Center, and Arrowbear Lake. All roads into the mountain communities are closed.

1,359 firefighters are currently assigned to this fire under unified command. The estimated cost of this fire to date is $3 million.


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